Apparently I'm an old dinsoaur where values are concerned so any discussion of values would help avoid my extinction.....

ROOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!

Stroke the beard, stroke the beard

If you go to the old SESL site you will find on the RIGHT a guide list provided by
Celtic man (now GRE). Amended by ROS man ( Now SM).

THis is NOT a BIBLE , but just a weeeeeeeeeeee Guide.

Hi Robin,

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*beard stroke* (almost sounds like a serious condition - or maybe a new swim style).


Yes those are the S13 values I alluded to in the Blog.

I also have a copy of an S15 guide that Steve forwarded to me.

GMcD.

From Blog

Posted By Graham McDermott (Clydebank) on Feb 08, 06 1705 USA CT
Just looked at the trade list
Is a 4/25 MA REALLY worth 850+
GMcD

Posted By OLMEC () on Feb 14, 06 0226 USA CT
CEL sends 8 TP to GRE for Kenny Deuchar (4/25 FW)


You do the maths, and I'll eat my pizza!

For me, it is utterly pointless looking back to season 13 for a trade value guide.

Similarly, even last season was based of slightly different rules, as in next 48 hours 48 age 1 Bosman players arrive for free, and you can count on one hand how many teams have 10 TP spare for their Bosman player.

GMcD mentioned on Blog a 1/15 WG for a 4/25 SD was too much. WRONG!
Try getting 8 TP for your 1/15 WG then GMcD.

The reason managers may not discuss trades with you on email is you do not give any guide of how many TP or what value you are roughly looking for on transaction trade page. Managers are now saying it is not worth discussing trades with CB as they are out of touch with the current going trade rate.

The 4/25 gives you more SL than the WG for more than a season, and neither will see any CP or TP. PLUS, a SW + DF is a preferable position to a WG, a glance at trade wish list will confirm managers seeking DF, but none are seeking a WG!

In summary, the 25 SL SD is VERY useful. The 1/15 WG is very NOT useful in the current market. Yes, CURRENT market.

A summary of current season trades so far will give any manager (or dinasor) a trade value guide, and as GMcD CB have players left unsold on trade list, I would suggest GMcD valuations are not realistic in the CURRENT sesl market place.

Thanks heavens for that someone willing to discuss things.... and not keep it on secret squirrel mailing lists (ie the phrases you use are the exact same as those used by another manager - too close for it to be a coinkeedink).

Maybe thats part of the cause of this?

A couple of newer managers ganging together to drive prices down. Thats a fairly valid thing to do if you believe prices are too high.

However I'm not and never will, no way, no how, selling a 1/15 in a straight swap for a 4/16 - this way madness lies. The heat death of the universe will come first.

If that means the newer managers wont trade with me fine. Enough people are saying to me that I'm not mad that I think I'm OK with trade values.

As for my trades not going through thats fine too - I usually put a huge subset of players up for sale when I want to sell one or two as I know that not all will sell.

I'm really (honestly not just saying it) not that bothered if people do not wish to pay my valuations.

Strangely though no-one seems that keen to let me buy at yours and Craigs valuations. Strange that.

I'm glad you got 8TP for your 4/25 player - thats about right in my reckoning from my S15 valuation table. It valued him at 800ish (if memory serves - I dont have it here at work), and 8TP is approx 800K - maybe as much as 880K in a market with few TP around. So thats about the right level. Maybe you should be thanking me for the free advertising on the blog - wheres my 10% agency fees?

I'd dispute that a 1/15 WG is unlikely to be trained? I trained him to that level last season with full TP. If I keep him he will get at least 7 and more likely 8 or 9 TP to keep him near the top of my choices come mid season.

Finally I'd dispute that managers are "unwilling to discuss with me" because of my lack of specific or ball park valuations and that I'm out of touch - my valuations are roughly similar to many others and its only in the last week that I've been very vocal in the Blogs - so how would people even have a clue of my specific [over] valuations? Cut out the managers not interested in the players and that reduces the numbers, then the few who discuss but offer player swaps I'm not interested in where we amicably move on, then we get to the folk offering IMHO silly valuations. We only have 48 managers so its not going to be the case that everyone is interested in any particular player. But even in a glut market I'm not giving anyone away - my team simply cant afford to.

Hugs and Kisses,

GMcD.

The thing i have found hardest in this league is trading
and the value of players, i know there is a guide but
to me its a VERY BAD guide

It says that 2 age 3 sl 23
is the same value as a 1 age 2 SL 23

I will glady swap an age 2 sl 23 for 2 age 3 SL 23 !!
any takers ?? i doubt it !!

I dont see why old players have such bad Value
yet no one in the league wants to sell them !!

oh and i'll take 8 age 6 SL 34 for 381 each

That Age 1 player is perhaps not exactly the same as two of them, if any deal were to go through I'd expect the seller of the 1 player to give a couple of TP too.

In the short term (one season) you are sacrificing the skill of one player - but that skill level will be gone next season due to the accelerated aging tables of SESL, so you have one (maybe 1 and a half seasons with CP investment of them at that level Without investment they become pretty useless pretty quickly). They will end up losing 7 EL and can only end the season as at most 25 with 9CP invested or 24 with 10CP invested. 9/10 investment is unlikely except for a forward player.
and so he's more likely to end up as a EL 19 or 20 player.

However the age two player has perhaps 3 seasons at higher levels (with CP investment). He loses 5 SL by the end of the season depending upon CP investment. Making him theoretically end up as a 2/28 at the end of the season.

A number of managers for short term reasons will do the swap and take on older players - but thats fine for their particular promotion push or relegation struggle. Its not an issue.

Its mainly due to the aging factor mid-season and end-season that younger players are more highly coveted.

I'll concede there may be a glut of age 1 players at the moment temporarily depressing their value, but thats about it.

GMcD.

a 6/34 is a very unlikely player due to the cost of getting him there and the aging tables.

I think you missed my point, The point i was making is that Sheet is worthless

The only value i can see of that sheet is that it helps the commish
stop managers from getting to much of an advantage when trading

I dont know which sheet you are looking at?

The Season 13 one is a little dated.

GMcD.

a 1/15 for a 4/16 is madness, yes.

example was 1/15 WG compared to a 4/25 SD. I would take 4/25 every time.

and it was GRE who got 8TP for his 4/25 today, not me.

you said on Blog a 4/25 is surely not worth 850k+, yet can you buy 8 TP for less than that? not seen the evidence of that yet. 8TP worth 900k I would guess.

proof is in the pudding, so lets see how much CB 1/15 WG goes for, and if you get a penny over 500k I will be amazed, and my guess is no one will buy your 1/15 WG and the 4/25 will go on to add far more value than an unwanted 1/15 WG (that will not see 7 or 8 TP, lets be honest)

to repeat to HIB and others, no point looking back to outdated player values.

the value of anything in life is what someone is currently prepared to pay, so look at trades being done this season already by QP and others to see current market rate.

when CB finally sell that 1/15 WG, then we can add that to current prices and gain a better idea on valuations.

CB aint selling the 1/15 WG for a 4/16 thats fer sure.

I'm all for being low-balled - but twice in a row is surely taking the piss.

Anyhoo I too doubt I'll sell him for anything near what I want/need or can afford so I'll not be selling him.

I'd rather have the 2/20-22 WG next season.

Ho Hum.

Anyway did anyone come up with a rough guide to values or are we to be left to the gouges of those willing to take advantage of the gullible and the new?

I'll see if I can dig out the S15 table and format it for this forum when I'm home tonight and see if that can provoke a discussion.

GMcD.

Of course the thing I forgot in the 2/23 versus two 3/23 is that you have to expend more CP just to keep the age 3 players from dropping below 20 as you need to expend keeping the Age 2 player from reducing at all by the end of the season

(About 8 CP versus 6 from memory).

If ever there was an argument for youth thats it.

GMcD.