MON-ROS blowout appeal

In match 7, MON lost 6-1 at home to ROS. I did not field a weakened team, I just fielded a balanced lineup, and even bought a Home Advantage of 11! I can't comment on ROS's squad, but he did say that ROS were "coming at MON with everything we have." Given that I have the weakest squad in the division, it doesn't take much imagination to see MON being overwhelmed. Also, given their greater SL, it would have made no difference if MON had switched to Stall at any point, so MON were totally helpless to prevent it.

I started playing L, then switched to E, in the hope of getting a goal or two, but when I input the lineup, the page showed that starting N would have made very little difference to the DEF rating. MON's T11 is 20.2 and the T17 is 17.7. The lineup I fielded was 15.1 in the first half, and 17.0 in the second, nowhere near as strong as ROS who were 21.3 throughout the game, but then I am seasoning 2 APPs at the moment, keeping them on the field for the minimum 45 minutes.

I have no choice but to bring through young players, which will obviously take more than a season. That makes my lineups weaker than I would like, but that is unavoidable. The last thing I need is to lose the resources to keep my older players SL up until the youngsters catch up.

I lost 6-1 last season & thought that it was a blowout (rules do say a defeat by 5 or more) but I think this is incorrect and a blowout is a defeat by 6 or more clear goals so the result yesterday was NOT a blowout. No money has been taken from your account?. Switching to STALL woulf defo help prevent a blowout!...18 added to DEF just from ur 9 OTF alone...OTF is useless if playing L or E ;-).

Dan (BUC)

Well, I can only go by the rules. The rules say 5+ goals, so I presume that is what they mean. They also say you will lose 2CP if you have them, or money if you don't. I have enough CP.

If the code says something different to the rules, then maybe the Commish can enlighten us. If not, then the appeal is still there for consideration.

Also, I've tried Stalling against stronger teams before, and they still scored against me. If the DEF isn't strong enough, it won't make any difference. The commish once scored against me when both of us were Stalling....

QUOTE (GableEnder @ August 20, 2006 11:39 am)

but then I am seasoning 2 APPs at the moment, keeping them on the field for the minimum 45 minutes.

MON appear to have never used any TP on apprentices, so why the need to keep them on field for 45 minutes?

MON could have played a stronger lineup, but choose to play apprentices even though you never TP'ed them - not sure how you can justify that?

MON appear to have used 2 CP this season on players, and 4 CP on OTF (I am guessing). I am guessing (again) 2 CP has been lost thru this blowout, but you would need to check when you had end of last season and how many CP you bought this season to be sure.

I also note a couple of games with full passive play (NMR's) last week and also note you never had lineups submitted until a few minutes before deadline yesterday.

I would guess (alot of guessing!) these lineups were rushed and you are now seeking a blowout scapegoat after the event?

Please pin-point precisely on what grounds you think blowout should be refunded? If you make the wrong team tactic or never spent enough time and effort on your lineups, perhaps you only have yourself to blame this time?

Give MON a break. And give Andy his 2 CP blowout back.

OK, he acknowledged that ROS were "coming at MON with everything we have."
Why MON did not Stall therefore is a mystery. Perhaps MON only read this AFTER the match? Could do with more details here Andy.

MON made an attempt to get some goals, but the defence is way too weak. If blowout means MON take a bit more time over lineups and more sensible team tactics, then its served its purpose.

Andy should be refunded 2 CP this time, but given a warning to future conduct over needlessly weakened lineups without a Stall.

Stew
HEA

Well, let me take all the above posts together and answer a few points:

1. I must admit that my use of TP has been a little confused by the different variants of Olmec and United that I have played over the years. I have to rely on memory, mostly, as I don't think it's realistic to read the rules for each game every week. A couple of games don't allow use of TP until APPs are seasoned. My mistake there.

2. Yes, I missed last week's matches. I have already apologised to the commish. However, I don't intend to list my holidays, work rosters and domestic situation here. I'm happy that I have acted appropriately, but I realise that I'm not likely to persuade anyone by just saying that's how it is.

3. The final input of my orders was a bit rushed, although I had planned them out earlier in the week. As a result, I mixed up my CP and missed out. Scapegoat? No, although it would be nice to get a bit of consideration from opponents. I saw Len's comment earlier in the week, and made a point of checking out his league position and squad, and saw no reason to panic. When I input the lineups, I had time to notice that switching from N to L or E did not make much difference to my DEF total. However, if I have to Stall at home against teams just above me, then I will be Stalling for the entire season. Even that might not help, though, as the weakness of my squad means Stalling will not stop a determined opponent, and I have previously conceded goals while Stalling against an opponent who was Stalling, even when the shot limiter kicked in, so it wouldn't necessarily help me even if teams did Stall when 3 or 4 up against me.

The comment that, "the defence was too weak" sums up my squad quite well. I don't have the luxury of putting out two good DFs every game, and I can't fix that overnight. If I'd put out my T11 and still lost, I would probably have been blown out in the next game or two for fielding such a weak defence, and then been slated for that. It seems that neither Montrose nor I can win.

It's been mentioned one or two times but the rules are wrong - it's just one of those things that were overlooked.

The blowout penalty is for a six or more goal defeat. Take a look at Hamilton's second game. Go to the Hamilton team page, click on Fixtures, then click on Account.

Hamilton lost 120k.

Montrose did not lose 120k.

The MSWL rule is 120k if the teams are in the same division, 160k if a 2nd dividion side beats a 1st and 80k if a 1st beats a 2nd.

The release notes mention that in SaSo it was 120k for all blowouts and I assume the same goes for SESL.