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David- 08-23-2007
On the subject of rivals, it would only take a few minutes at the start of each season for "somebody" to pick each teams rivals. I would base it on proximity only and it would be fortuitous if my rival was poorer than FOR (not very likely I know) but even if my rival was going strong I am still benefitting from 2 increased gates. After all, at the moment Hibs (real life here!) are better than Hearts but by the time the return match came up it could be reversed.

The appointing of rivals could be given to 2 mangers (1 to appoint the 2 divisions he is not in, and the other to appoint for the division the 1st manager is in). Sorted!

Les- 08-23-2007
I think James' suggestion has merit and would add some 'bite' to the rivals section.

My 1st thought was echoed by Phil's response, but at the end of the day this is all supposed to be for fun! Anyone who selects rivals based on the fact that it is a game they can win is setting themselves up for some severe ridicule! Perhaps a 'rivals panel' could be established to ensure fairplay as per other areas of the game?

garner- 08-24-2007
Amazing idea James. Brilliant, priceless perfect.

though I do think that the gates should be a bit higher for the game. On the topic of higher gates, why aren't gates increased when someone increases their home bonus.
because the home bonus is described as advertising costs to bring more fans in?

sparky- 08-25-2007
Increasing the gate receipts might kinda cancel out the cost and just mean that everybody does it. As it is there's financial dilemma involved.

ROS Man- 10-19-2008
QUOTE (Rangers @ August 22, 2007 11:43 am)
A good idea to lend more weight to the rivals choice, however I dont think cash/resources should be the benefit/punishment.

What happens when you whip your rival team in real life ?? Morale gets a boost !!

What happens when you get whipped by your rival , Morale gets a boot in the . . . . !!

So I suggest . . .

Playing against a team which you have designated as your rival would give a small boost to morale level(say 2x the normal) if you win obviously, and a deduction(again 2x) if you lose. Your oppenent who hasn't listed you as a rival gets the normal morale adjustment.

However playing a match where both are each others rivals raises the stakes!! to possibly as much as 0.5 morale boost for the winners and a 0.5 penalty for the losers.

Picking rival teams would be done before the season starts and locked till the end of the season. It would not be enforced so you can have any number from 0 to 3 rivals from any division.

I feel this would lead to more thought on rivals picking with the risk it creates and would make the games more important as well. also it wouldn't affect the resource level in the game.

Thoughts anyone ???

Superb post. I agree with all of this.

WeeBeardyBloke- 10-20-2008
How would this work for the bottom teams who look like relegation fodder. Everyone would pick them.....

Why would anyone pick a team that would beat them or even have a close game with.

Nice idea in principle but I think but needs work. I'm not sure it would work as you expect.

Otig71- 10-20-2008
Fair point Bearded one. Though I don't think picking CB 3x would be allowed, shame. SESL/eek.gif

ROS Man- 10-20-2008
Make rival picks random then?

or let Commish or let a committee pair the rivals?

Don't look for problems - just suggest solutions! tongue.gif

love and peace to all! SESL/eek.gif

Steve_HUN- 10-21-2008
Quite like the idea of rivals affecting moral, what if it bein a rival match gave the match say a 2x moral change and if you are both rivals then a 4x change insted of havin set amounts of chance

tulipknife- 10-21-2008
Personally I think the rivals should be seperate from the derby games all together.

While the rivals is more a fun section where you are choosing another team manager to rival, the derbies should be historical to scottish football.

Even the foreigners amongst you will know rangers v celtic, hearts v hibs, those are obvious, but what about QOS v stranraer, motherwell v airdrie, ayr v filthmarnock, morton v saint mirren, east stirling v stirling albion, raith v east fife.

There is one team historically for each scottish team that you just want to beat the pulp out of, that game should be the derby game.

The rewards for this game is the question on everyones lips and how to implement this given that some teams rival/derby teams may be in different leagues.

Basically you have 1 default derby team which should be the historical rival then you can have you rival team, historical or whatever you choose.

Your main default rival could have maybe a 2 x morale if winning, -2 x morale if losing.
Your next choice rival 1.5 x morale.

Your default rival should be set , no changes allowed, thats part of the team history. The rivals just now can be changed willy nilly to suit the manager of the team at that time.

If you don't meet that rival during the course of season, bad luck no morale boost. But you meet them quite often if in the same league and then again in the cup competions.

Just my point of view.
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arbebra- 10-21-2008
"Even the foreigners amongst you will know rangers v celtic, hearts v hibs, those are obvious, but what about QOS v stranraer, motherwell v airdrie, ayr v filthmarnock, morton v saint mirren, east stirling v stirling albion, raith v east fife."


marc do you know you made a spelling mistake?

it was all going so well but after airdrie you should have typed

"filthyayr v kilmarnock"

not sure how you managed it but thought you should know.




fwiw I agree with the rest of your post

Les- 10-21-2008
Morton is a hotly con-*test*-('")ed derby game SESL/confused.gif - but they're my 2nd team (in Scotland)...


...oh what the heck - SM have vacant slots for a couple of rivals - consider Morton now elevated to the rival grade at SM SESL/yay.gif

...now off to do some research on current Morton manager SESL/scarf.gif (had previously thought that we were GM rivals because Graeme didn't like me... SESL/say_nowt.png )

Steve Turner- 10-22-2008
I think Deveronvale's derby game is against Buckie Thistle, but Huntly and Fraserburgh aren't much further away by road.

I'm pretty sure you won't get Al Sellers to write any new code for this tongue.gif

Anyway, who would be Beleriand's local rivals in SFLSL? rolleyes.gif

WeeBeardyBloke- 10-24-2008
QUOTE (arbebra @ October 22, 2008 03:32 am)
"Even the foreigners amongst you will know rangers v celtic, hearts v hibs, those are obvious, but what about QOS v stranraer, motherwell v airdrie, ayr v filthmarnock, morton v saint mirren, east stirling v stirling albion, raith v east fife."


marc do you know you made a spelling mistake?

it was all going so well but after airdrie you should have typed

"filthyayr v kilmarnock"

not sure how you managed it but thought you should know.




fwiw I agree with the rest of your post


plenty of spelling mistakes....

He also spelled airdire with the second r and i round the wrong way.

Beagle- 10-25-2008
This won't surprise anyone, but I'm opposed to yet another proposal to increase revenue. You want a rivalry, go play someone tough. When you win, you'll increase your morale and your gate. The rival concept was introduced to be fun, not a revenue builder. Leave it be. Every time I log in there seems to be another proposal to increase revenue. Just play the game. Inflationary values will eventually hurt the game.

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