RELEASE NOTES on main web site show changes effective from 22-July-2007

http://www.olmec.org/sesl/general.jsp?type=releasenotes


How this will effect SESL in Season 19.

(these ratios are subject to change due to limited timescales to test software changes thoroughly. Notice of 7 days minimum will be given on this forum of any change to what is noted below for start of season 19)

Increased Chance of Injury
This change allows the commish to add a number from 0 to 999 to this total.
SESL Commish has decided to add 50 for start of season 19, and will review as season progresses.

Blowouts Now Based on Score & SL Percent Used In Match
The blowout percent is used to determine if the blowout penalty should be applied.
1) Total of 'normal SL' for all players on the pitch at the end of the game (aggressive, dirty, out-of-position etc ALL IGNORED) and
2) The total roster SL.
If the percent is lower than the blowout percent then the blowout penalty is applied.
SESL Commish has decided 50% of normal roster SL must be on field at end of match.
This will be review as season progresses. Blowout thresehold remains at 6 for season 19, but may reduce to 5 goals difference in future seasons.

PK Fouls and Bookings
'what happens' when a Penalty Kick occurs.
SESL Commish has decided:
10% nothing happens
30% yellow card
60% red card


repeat: these ratios are subject to change.
7 days notice will be given on this forum of any change to the above note.


Mark, SESL Commish

Great Mark
Be interesting to see how it develops !

I think that the red card percentage is way too high. The penalty is a clear disadvantage in itself, but losing a player off as well is too much.
Just to use some stats to prove my point, I can say that my team has been awarded 3 penalties and 2 have been awarded against us. All 5 have been scored from which is 100%, no red card has been shown, and 2 yellow cards have been shown to the player who commited the foul. That gives as a 40% chance of a yellow card.

I predict that we will have some strange results in the next couple of rounds.

I like the injury increase though, it will make the game really tougher for us all, just remember the injury of -96 EL that occured last season. It will happen more often this season, probably with lower EL loss each time.

Sorry, but that is fibbing Oli.

EF played all 11 players dirty from any match I saw of them in Season 18, so quite clearly, on EF evidence alone, the risk of giving away a penalty was NOT a "big enough disadvantage in itself".

If the new rules make EF consider NOT simply playing all 11 dirty anymore, then they have served their purpose, I'd suggest.

whats fibbing ?

telling porkies

lies.

Its a polite way of saying you're not telling the truth.

Usually used to indicate a non-serious lie.

GMcD.

I dont like those innuendos from you Jackie. I am not clear of what your intentions are with those allegations towards me and other managers all the time. Stick to the subject in hand and not your feelings towards the person or persons you are talking to.

I am against this high % of red cards and that is what I say and will say it again. It has nothing to do with how SM or EF are doing or have been doing in the league. My point is that a game should not be decided with one penalty decision, simple as that. Time will tell if my concerns are justified or not.

I also pointed out that the injury numbers would give us more injuries with less EL losses and after the first round it seems like I was correct in that respect. I also feel that an injury in every game is probably a little higher than what was aimed for. But lets see what happens in the next few rounds.

I apologise Oli. This is me saying 'sorry'.

I felt you were posting as if the rule amendments effected EF only. They are the same for all 48 teams.

If you dont want injuries, then play your team all 11 passive?!
Afterall, EF were happy for every opposition team to risk injury when you played an entire season as 'dirty'/aggresisve. Think about that.

I shall try stop making stupid posts though, and sorry again to Oli.

I agree with Oli as regards the red card percentage.
The chance of a red card from a foul should be the same all over the pitch.
If your foul just so happens to occur in the opposition penalty box, then you will, in addition to your players having the usual chance of getting a yellow or red card, concede a penalty kick.
A penalty is meant to be one punishment for A/D players, not two punishments.

I would also suggest a slight modification to the blowout percentage.
If it's currently set as 50% of your total roster, then if you happen to have a roster with 23 players at all the same SL (Unlikely I know), then you run the risk of being blown out, despite fielding what happens to be your T11.
That does not seem like a good idea, and I don't imagine that is what the rule is in place for.
I suggest you change it to 50% of your T17 SL, not of your total SL.

100% no way to HAM suggestion!

If 50% of Top17, no one EVER would get blown out. FACT!

In your extreme example, if a manager has every player at same Skill Level then it would obviously be very high SL players, so if he is blown out then he (or she!)
would deserve the blowout!

From 32 lineups submitted in match 1, I noticed only one team was below 50% (think about 48%, not sure). I think that team were playing age 0 and others for purpose of early CP and TP, so having taken that risk and they had been blowout out, then they would have deserved blowout. 50% of total SL in the squad seems sensible on evidence so far, and will be reviewed as season progresses this topic states.

The blowout rule is to encourage teams to play their best available lineup were possible, and not to throw matches that could impact other challenging teams.

Thank you for your response St Mirren.
I note, with some interest, your direct negative of my proposal/solution, although, having scanned your entire response, I can't seem to find your alternative solution to the problem I've illustrated.
Given your vehemence, I assume you have one.

Please feel free to post it.

I think that Jackie is leaning towards a 50% of total SL in the squad rather than top17.

I have not made my mind up which is better and will be looking at the pros and cons of each suggestion.

I have been thinking about the consequences if we go for total SL in the squad, and what it would to the amount of players we would hold on the squad. Would it be better for me to have players nr. 20-25 of SL 8> ?
Lets say 5 players with total SL of 25. Wouldnt I be more vulnerable against the blowout rule ??? And would I then be more likely to retire them....

Another thing struck me too, what if your team gets badly hit with suspensions or injuries, would that be taken into consideration when calculating the % ?
Whatever we come to conclusion about, we must take such things into consideration.

I agree in principal with David and Oli. It's possible that the total SL is used because it's easier to code but it is more likely to affect the bigger and very balanced squads.

When this was discussed on MSWL over a year ago I suggested (as a starting point) 80% of T17 or 60% of T11. And by that I mean your average Effective SL at every minute of the match (if a player was sent off or injured then it's the average of the number of players on the pitch). So an extreme team with 20 SL 18 players would always be at 100%.

But remember you can only get blown out if you lose by 6 goals and that is rare enough.

Flatnz uses 40% of T11 but the score is irrelevant. If you are below 40% and win you will still get fined. If you skirt close to 40% then you will be warned.