BLOG Posted By OLMEC on Aug 10

STI sends 12 TP to HIB for Murdo McLean (4/23 DM)

STI Chairman raise eyebrows at this trade.

Appears 4 or 5 TP higher than one would be expected to pay.

Can Rene and Peter offer some insight into the negotiations that occurred for this trade please?

- CHAIRMAN

Bulking up the STI squad is not a bad idea, might help win them the league, however paying 12TP for it seems high.

8 at the very maximum, personally wouldn't have went higher than 6.

However we have seen the value of TP shift.... but this low???? Don't think so.

Ill be honest, i would probably pay 8 TP for that trade, not very happy about TP just being given away and no one offering me any

Tyron

I had offers that ranged from 7 TP/CP - 10 CP

Rene made an offer 3 days ago of 10 CP 2 days after an offer from another manager (I sure the commish can see the offer its still listed so i wont mention names) I told Rene this and said if he offers me 11 CP the player was his

I posted the trade on the site which Rene cancelled, then he offered me 12 TP as he did not have the CP to spare.

i accepted

I think the STI Chairman needs to look at the offers i got if he thinks it was 5TP too much.

In short, id have said yes as a seller to that trade too!
But id agree with the Bish, i wouldnt have paid more than 6.

This trade surprised me too yesterday.

Credit to Peter at HIB for responding so quickly - and politely. In the circumstances now explained, he was hardly going to turn it down.

I think the issue is with STI. Has he made a mistake as a fairly new boss? Does he know about valuations guide? Does he now regret the trade? Is it too late to 'tweak' the trade so both HIB & STI are happy (10CP maybe)?

I think you need to speak up René. Lets hear YOUR opinions.

Ok, here is my side of the story.

Peter (HIB) acted fairly in this trade.
As you look at my side I can use some reinforcements.
I knew Peter had some players available for a trade, so I contacted him for a trade.
I offered him 10 TP. He told me already had an offer of 10 CP where he rather had the CP instead of of TP. He also let me see this offer he had.
Before the season Steve (DEV) helped me making a plan how to use my CP/TP for the season. As I don't have that much CP and don't really have that much money to buy more, I value the CP more than my TP at he moment.
I really wanted this player I decided to offer Peter more.

I know about the valuationguide, but sometimes you need to act like no other would do.
I don't regret the trade, maybe the future will tell me that I paid to much , because I could really use the TP I just paid, but that will be my own fault.

As to the point Jackie made on the Blog:
I just listed a 4/28 FW amd would accept LESS than 12 TP for 5 SL MORE!
When did you list this one? Because I didn't notice this one yesterday morning, we clinched the deal just somewhere after noon, and I am not going to look at the trade list all day long (maybe I should).

Again I don't regret this trade, I want this deal to stay like it is

Another way of looking at it. For what its worth! is...

In yesterdays auction, with all 48 managers given the opportunity to pay what they like,

a 4/20SW went for 322k
&
5TP went for 412k

based on that TP is only worth 82k

and thus the 4/20 is worth about 4TP

If a 4/20 is worth 4TP, i for one wouldnt pay 12TP for a 4/23DM

I think its a bit unrealistic to use early auction valuations to indicate the worth of players. Everyone (or at least I'm) low in cash and so people bid lower than they otherwise might with more healthy bank balances.

My take on the subject is that there have been a couple of cases where TP and CP have swapped at approximately comparable rates - I think I made a 10/11 swap a few weeks ago and there have been others.

To me that suggests they have drifted together in terms of value due to a glut/scarcity of one over the other. If thats taken into account and the fact that Rene really wanted the player and had his 10 TP turned down I dont see the deal being that bad at all.

Granted I personally wouldnt have paid that price for the player, but sometimes circumstances mean you pay more for a player you really need for your squad.

GMcD.

In my opinion, Stirling Boss payed too much for that player, but, as Peter already said, it is all in suply and demand. Sometimes a trade is good for you, sometimes don't. It would be boring if all trades would be based on 'book values'.

It is obvious that Rene knew what he is doing. Besides, Hibernian had another offer of 10 CP for the same player. A lot of managers values 1 CP for 1 TP recently, so it is normal that Rene offers 1 CP/TP more, because, as he said, he really want that player. Because of his inexperience in trading he loss 1 CP/TP, because Peter would surely accept 11 TP offer.

In short, it would be much better for STI boss if he would invest this 12 TP's in younger players, but on the other hand, this player could be vital in securing promotion for Stirling this season. And that is primary objective for Stirling this season.

No way we could blame HIB boss for accepting this trade. C'mon how many of you would say: "Ohh 12 TP is too much. Please, offer me 11 TP, or even better, 10 TP's ..."

Although I didn't suugest Rene should go as far as 12 TP, I did point out that a 4/23 would effectively add 13 SL to his M (his side is set up for 4-2-4 with 2 WG). He also had just 2 decent age 1 players worth training and no apprentices, nor the money to buy them. And at the start of the season he had 51 TP.

But I suggested he try to buy the player with TP.

Stirling boss says

Thats good enough for me !
No Nanny tactics here please!! < _ <